Er, no. The family seat is Shane's Castle, near Randalstown, County Antrim where they are involved in the commercial cattle business. Brian's son Edmond was granted control of Lisdawericke, Megin, Cnoghan, Tollohiny Dirrilghta, Knockmcgallcrum & Gortnesillagh. A contrary claim to the leadership of the dynasty comes from Spanish nobleman Don Carlos O'Neill, 12th Marquis de la Granja, who has been described as "the Prince of the Fews". Sidney, H., Sir Henry Sidney's Memoir of his government of Ireland 1583, Ulster Journal of Archaeology, First series, Vol. In 1171, King Henry II of England came to Ireland to remove the authority of the English lords in Ireland. But it is possible that many of the books from the Serapeum ended up in George’s already extensive collection. Fall of the Irish Chiefs and Clans, by George Hill, p. 167. Peter Heather actually begins his recent book on the fall of the Western Empire by noting how unlikely that event would have looked to anyone in the last quarter of the fourth century. At this time, the barrister Charles Henry O'Neill of the O'Neills of the Feevah, descendant of the last tanasite of Clandeboye, Sir Henry's uncle Con Mac Brian O'Neill, became officially recognized as The O'Neill Clanaboy. And if that tangle of confused fantasy isn’t enough, no fervid bad history surrounding the Great Library would be complete without linking it to another New Atheist fable, the murder of Hypatia of Alexandria on account of her learning and rationality: “We would have had a colony on Mars and cured all diseases if the mob didn’t burn down The library, and tore the flesh of the bones of Hypatia, the Great woman that was the head of the library at the time.”. This argument is hard to sustain. Even more significantly, Eunapius of Antioch was a pagan, a scholar and a vehement anti-Christian, so had every reason to condemn any destruction of a library, yet he too makes no mention of it. The only thing I’m not so sure about is the claim that only a few “natural philosopher” scholars or so were attached to it. And now we get more misrpresentation of sources. In her survey of the historiography of the issue, Diana Delia notes “lacking modern inventory systems, ancient librarians, even if they cared to, scarcely had the time or means to count their collections” (see Delia, “From Romance to Rhetoric: The Alexandrian Library in Classical and Islamic Traditions”, The American Historical Review, Vol. Ancient libraries in particular needed constant financial patronage from their founders and sponsors to survive. When the sedition had prevailed for some time, the rulers came and urged the people to remember the laws, to lay down their arms, and to give up the Serapion (Sozomen, History of the Church, VII.15). 146, No. This is nonsense. In January 2014 someone posted the meme above to the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science page on Facebook. Chick-fil-A to open new location in Shelby County . Sozomen was writing in the following century and, as a Christian, may not be reliable on the lurid details, but Socrates Scholasticus, writing a little closer to the events, confirms that many Christians were killed in the unrest. 1449-67, p. 1459). I’ve read on r/badhistory a review of the review and most of the video is debunked overall, just wondering on your opinion. face-palming is inevitable. [30] The earl succeeded in capturing and imprisoning another three over the remainder of the decade until there were only two possibly three of the brothers and nephews hiding out in the Glenconkeyne forest in eastern Tyrone. Felix O'Neill was born in Creggan in County Armagh. Therefore, no scholar of the field has ever asserted (in a publication) that George might have looted the Serapeum library. a crypto-Christian, posing as an atheist …. The library in the Forum of Trajan in Rome occupied a large space 27 by 20 metres and Lionel Casson estimates it could have held “in the neighbourhood of 20,000 scrolls” (Casson, p. 88). “This was not some foreign war, this was more like a police action.”. Whenever that was, it was clearly before the destruction of the Serapeum, which he describes in the persent tense. Vol. The Mouseion  was, after all, one of the jewels in the crown of the Ptolemaic kingdom and it sat in the Broucheion or Royal Quarter where the Ptolemies themselves lived. 23370". He left France with his brothers and established their noble line permanently under in the Kingdom of Portugal. Most of the expressions of outrage and hatred against the “religious barbarians” quoted above draw, directly or indirectly, on Sagan’s account. Quibbling over “around 378” versus “writing in the 380s” is pretty irrelevant to that key point. The O'Neills hold that their ancestors were kings of Ailech during the Early Middle Ages, as descendants of Niall of the Nine Hostages. The proto-science they did do was mainly of a highly abstract and often metaphysical nature rather than anything like modern science. Many of the lamentations from the Dawkins group on Facebook quoted above rhapsodise about the great technical discoveries which could have been made had the Great Library somehow evaded its (alleged) fiery demise at the hands of Christians. Chick-fil-A is expected to open another metro Birmingham restaurant near the end of March.… I respect the right of people to believe in God, just like I have to respect the right of people to believe anything. Seanchas Ardmhacha: Journal of the Armagh Diocesan Historical Society. They sent troops and supported Edward in his attempt to become King of Ireland in 1315. The constant squabbles between would-be Emperors sapped the Empire’s strength, not to mention the damage the emerging christian church inflicted with it’s incessant guerrilla warfare campaigns against it’s rival superstitions. Get up to the minute entertainment news, celebrity interviews, celeb videos, photos, movies, TV, music news and pop culture on ABCNews.com. This they converted into a temporary citadel; and hither they conveyed many of the Christians, put them to the torture, and compelled them to offer sacrifice. It is often thought that Ammianus continued Tacitus’ work, who did not write the history of his own day and age either. The library was not a secular establishment, it was not as large as is claimed, it was not a particular centre of science and it was not a wellspring of wondrous technology. You are ridiculous. I’m out of patience with this idiocy. The main culprit here is, unfortunately, the late Carl Sagan. Following up on Ammianus’ digression on the Serapeum (no reply option available in the abouve I’m afraid). But what is missing from all this evidence is any howling, pyromaniacal Christian mob. Holohan, Renagh. Sozomen’s account details what happened next: They killed many of the Christians, wounded others, and seized the Serapion, a temple which was conspicuous for beauty and vastness and which was seated on an eminence. But many of the other things often claimed about it are much less clear and some of them are pure fantasy, so it’s time to turn to the list of things that the “Great Library” was not. From the death of Charles Henry O'Neill until Jorge O'Neill assumed the chieftainship the family had no chief. It can therefore be ruled out that George had any of the books from the Serapeum library in his own library. He died on 7 September 1832 and is reportedly buried in the Roman Catholic Church of Frederiksted, Saint Croix.[27]. Why is this guy so hellbent on spliting hair. He then says “know what books George had, many of them, at any rate, if not all; for he lent me some of them to copy, when I was in Cappadocia”. The barony of Dungannon was created in 1542 as the title designated for the declared heir of the Earldom. Typically, actually, ancient libraries did nothing of the sort. 1427). Assyrian? “Rival” may not be exact, but there is nothing to indicate that the Alexandrine Library was 15 times bigger than its rival. Footnote no. They often claim, for example, that Hero of Alexandria worked at the Great Library and that he invented the steam engine. Hero does seem to have been another exception to the rule when it comes to philosophers tinkering with gadgets and it’s possible (though far from certain) that he worked in the Mouseion. The grandson of Jorge and present Prince of Clanaboy, Hugo, has not pressed his senior claim to the entire House of O'Neill out of respect for his O'Neill chief cousins and their own histories. The red hand by itself has become a symbol of the O'Neill name, such that when other O'Neill family branches were granted or assumed a heraldic achievement, this red hand was often incorporated into the new coat of arms in some way.  Of the others Sagan mentions, Euclid and Herophilos may have studied there, depending on when the Mouseion was established and Dionysius of Thrace is another maybe, though more likely. “And the soldiers were unable to distinguish between books and valuable statues? Many other O'Neill families that moved from Barbados settled on the Island of Vieques. And it is even more of a fantasy that it was a centre of technological innovation. 97, No. Many contenders arrive, including a man named O'Neill, who begins to fall behind the others. Mod. The Mouseion at Alexandria was far from  the only shrine to the Muses in the ancient world, nor was it the only one with an associated centre of study.  Likewise Sagan says Archimedes worked there, but there is no clear evidence for this and what little we know of Archimedes’ life indicates he spent it in Syracuse. Family documents[citation needed] that the O'Neill's had elements land on the Islands and were associated with the families of Rocco, Eammon, Constatino or Conn Eoghan, Edmundo, and Gill – all men who served in the Ultonia and Hibernia regiments for the Crown of Spain. Who Killed the Great Library of Alexandria? Concerning possible books/scrolls in translation, was the Alexandrian library even an attempt to amass “accumulated knowledge ” across ancient cultures? [29] Any claim of theirs to represent the O'Neills of the Fews dynasty however must be viewed in light of their descent from the junior branch of the O'Neill y O'Keefe family as well as the absence of a proven lineage linking to the historical "Lords of the Fews". Unsurprisingly he does not mention the inner building that contained the library other than in the past (perfect) tense (fuere).”. [21] Indeed, Felix was considered to have a valid claim to be the Chief of the entire O'Neill clan. I’m honestly surprised to find out this bit of pseudo-history exists and is widely accepted, because the bit of pseudo-history I’m familiar with, from reading not-very-rigorous 19th-century writers, is that the wonderful library of Alexandria was destroyed by Muslim hordes… With no one ever specifying a point in time for this event because, I assume, that simply wouldn’t hold up for very long. His analysis makes it fairly clear that these numbers, presented so uncritically by popular authors for rhetorical effect, are probable fantasies. It seems to be the usual flawed Mythicist arguments about the Josephan mentions of Jesus. Shane O'Neill, by Ciaran Brady, pg. 23370". Significantly, writing around 378 AD, Ammianus Marcellinus gave a detailed description of the Serapeum and mentions its libraries using the past tense: In here have been valuable libraries and the unanimous testimony of ancient records declares that seven hundred thousand books, brought together by the unremitting energy of the Ptolemies, were burned in the Alexandrine War when the city was sacked under the dictator Caesar. Overall, the idea that there was still any library there when the temple was demolished is dubious at best and almost certainly wrong. This means his use of the past tense about the temple library is significant. Arthur O'Neill, represented Antrim Mid in the House of Commons as a Conservative from 1910 until 1914, when he was killed in action during the First World War, the first MP to die in the conflict. While he also makes the weird claim that Greco-Roman civilisation collapsed because of slavery, it’s the nineteenth century cliches about “the Dark Ages” that were finally relieved by the glorious “Renaissance” that form the basis of his depiction of western intellectual history. We then get Julian writing to to the Prefect of Egypt, Ecdicius, him to send George’s large private library on to him at Constantinople. [52] Although Leabhar Chlainne Suibhne states that Anradhán gained his lands through conflict, it is possible that he secured these lands in Argyll through marriage to their heiress. Oh please. Several of these libraries were substantial. Of course, we can’t be certain that the bibliophile George helped himself to the library collection, but the circumstantial evidence makes this likely. Dublin POS no. The O'Neills of Martinique settled in the early 1700s; in the next century, they claimed to be Count of Tyrone and lineally descended from Hugh O'Neill, Earl of Tyrone. The only explicit reference to any non Greco-Roman text in the Library is to the Jewish Septugint – the translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek (though the fact it is a translation into Greek tells us something here). After the Plantation of Ulster, some O'Neill families converted to the Church of Ireland and began to intermarry with the new nobility coming from England. Overseas branches flourish, such as in South Africa where descendants are referred to as Nels, mainly due to the influence of the Afrikaner people of the country. Your effort I understand but provoques more thoughts contrary to your religion in the mind of a reasonable observer. The title The O'Neill Mór was not a patrilineal hereditary one, but was conferred on the man elected and inaugurated to rule Tír Eoghain. And whatever counterexample is brought up to refute this statement will be dismissed as “not drastic”. Most importantly, it was not destroyed by a crazed Christian mob intent on the destruction of rationally-based knowledge. Brunette amateur rides a fat cock in a backseat Asian beauty enjoys filming her masturbation on camera We have at least 340 galleries from Spring Thomas Big bottomed brunette Jessyka Swan gives deepthroat blowjob Busty Blonde MILF Shared With Friend Yana easy going teenage blonde gets balls in the asshole clip Another scheming stacked MILF moans away as her cunt gets drilled courtesy of a … So it’s more likely that reference is a later addition. Alexandia is in Egypt. The traditional title of the head of this family branch is The O'Neill Buidhe or The O'Neill of Clannabuidhe. But after numerous threats to his life, he secretly departed Ireland for the French coast in 1607 in what is famously called the Flight of the Earls. The influence of his account of the murder of Hypatia is a topic for another article, but it’s his heartfelt paean to the Great Library, his allusions to the advances it could have inspired if it had survived, followed by his condemnation of the forces of “stagnation … pessimism …. Henry began a policy to reduce the kings in Ireland to the same rank and structure as the English nobility. Arturo and his brother pleaded for permission to take up their father's right to land in Puerto Rico and this was granted in 1804. Worsening situation leads up to a shoot-out at the O… 30,000 books.